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816: Poultry Slam

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Prologue: Prologue

Ira Glass

When I talked to Scharlette Holdman, she'd spent 35 years working with defense teams on death penalty cases, including a very high-profile cases. But she hadn't given an interview to the press in decades, ever since an incident where she had a few drinks with a reporter, and said some things she was unhappy to see in print.

Scharlette Holdman

And it was so embarrassing. And I thought, well, I either have to quit drinking or quit doing interviews. And I wasn't ready to quit drinking yet. So I quit doing interviews.

[LAUGHTER]

So this interview is a very rare event for me. I haven't done any kind of interviews with the media since '85.

Ira Glass

And you are ending the moratorium in this one instance, for this story, why?

Scharlette Holdman

Well, a fluffy, red-combed leghorn deserves his moment in the sun-- just the image. And I'm not talking about any chicken. I'm talking about-- you can just picture it, this beautiful Leghorn, his tail perked up, and that red comb, sitting at a rakish angle on his head, and his head cocked to the side. And he looks at you with his little eyes. That's what this story is about.

Ira Glass

That is not just what this story is about. That is what a lot of today's radio show is about. Back in the early days of our radio show, once a year, during the highest poultry consumption time in the country, which is, of course-- if you about this for a second, you can guess the answer to this. It's the weeks that begin with Thanksgiving, and go through Christmas and New Year's.

Anyway, during that period, for years on our show, we had a tradition here, where we would devote an entire hour of our program to stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind. In an homage to Chicago's poetry slams, which were spread across the country, but were created at the Green Mill Bar on the North side by poet Marc Smith, we named these programs "poultry" slams-- poultry.

But I just want to be clear, before we begin, the word "slam," we are using that with no malice toward any bird of any kind at all. No birds were hurt, no birds were slaughtered, no birds were slammed in the making of today's program. And we have incredible stories today, incredible enough that at least one woman has ended a quarter-century moratorium on talking to the press to be here with me. And you should too. From WBEZ Chicago, it's This American Life. I'm Ira Glass. Stay with us.

Act One: Witness for the Barbecue-tion

Ira Glass

Act one, Witness for the Barbicue-tion. Scharlette Holdman didn't just get the idea of calling a chicken as a witness in a murder case out of the blue. She was working on this case-- and we're going to call this guy Harry-- and there was no question that the guy had killed somebody. This wasn't about whether he'd done it. It was about what sentence he would get.

He had sat on death row at San Quentin for 10 years. But Scharlette says he was schizophrenic, with an IQ of 58, and just out of touch with reality.

Scharlette Holdman

And one of the things he did-- he wrote messages and symbols on little pieces of toilet paper, and rolled them up in a ball-- and had done this for years on death row-- rolled the little secret messages up in a ball, and then rolled them in feces, his own feces, into little, tiny, bead-sized balls, and put those into the braids in his hair--

Ira Glass

Oh, my.

Scharlette Holdman

--so that they dangled around his forehead.

Ira Glass

And the things he was putting in his hair, from his point of view, were they communicating some information, the little messages?

Scharlette Holdman

Exactly. But he couldn't tell me what the messages were because they were secret. When I would talk to him about his mother, he would tell me she lived in a Coca-Cola can.

Ira Glass

It's against the law to execute somebody who is so crazy he doesn't understand why he's being executed. And Scharlette said that was true for this guy.

Scharlette Holdman

When I would say, do you know what's going to happen on the 12th of June, he was befuddled. And with pressure, he would finally say, well, yeah, he thought he was going to be re-upholstered.

Ira Glass

The state of California did not agree with Scharlette about this guy. They wanted to execute him in 30 days. Scharlette's team was making a last-ditch appeal to stay this execution. Meanwhile, the state was gathering its evidence.

Scharlette Holdman

San Quentin sent in a prison psychiatrist to determine, was he competent to be executed? Did he know he was going to be executed? And did he know why he was going to be executed? So the psychiatrist goes and interviews Harry.

And then the psychiatrist testified in court that not only was Harry aware that he was going to be executed, she was so certain of this because she had played tic-tac-toe with him and Harry had beat her.

Well, it was so absurd and so outside of any normal experience in a courtroom-- and this was after 30 years of being in death penalty cases in the South, around the world. And I really couldn't believe she had said it. But at the same time, the only image that came to me-- I'm from the South, obviously.

And growing up, we always went to the Mid-South Fair. And they had a chicken that played tic-tac-toe, that absolutely mesmerized me. And it was pretty clear to me, OK, we've got to find a chicken who can play tic-tac-toe.

Ira Glass

Scharlette thought-- and this is not a joke. It's not an exaggeration-- she thought that a chicken like that could save this man's life. Jurors, after all, tend to believe the state and its witnesses. And a chicken like that could totally undermine the psychiatrist's testimony, by proving that playing tic-tac-toe doesn't mean that you understand things like why you're being executed.

Scharlette Holdman

I just knew a chicken would work. It's a sad state. But I think a chicken has more credibility than the defense team did. And I think it would have brought the jury over to seeing us as people, rather than as these obstructionists, who were interfering with an execution. And who can doubt a chicken? Chickens aren't going to lie. Chickens have integrity.

I had this image of the psychiatrist being on the stand. And I would quietly enter through the wooden doors, as they opened, with this beautiful Leghorn under my arm, and the comb at a rakish angle.

And as I walked into the courtroom, not saying a word, and quietly took a seat on the front row, the psychiatrist, who we knew because we had investigated her background from New York City, would see a person with a chicken and think, why is that-- oh, my god, no. And that psychiatrist would slowly realize that she was going to have to play tic-tac-toe with a chicken.

Ira Glass

So you're trying to psych out-- you were trying to get inside the psychiatrist's head--

Scharlette Holdman

Exactly.

Ira Glass

--and make the psychiatrist unravel even before you pull your stunt.

Scharlette Holdman

The jury's eyes as awareness overcame her. So it wouldn't work with the frazzled chicken. I didn't want to splotchy, beat-up, tired, exhausted chicken. I wanted a chicken that could capture the audience's attention. In this case, the audience was the jury.

Ira Glass

Right. You needed a chicken like in a cartoon.

Scharlette Holdman

I had to have a chicken that could take on a psychiatrist. It had to be a stand-up chicken.

Ira Glass

Noted.

Scharlette Holdman

So we began to hunt for this stand-up chicken.

Ira Glass

Well, this task fell to the legal interns. A man was scheduled to die, at that point, in less than two weeks. And they needed a chicken. And they searched the places that you find tic-tac-toe playing chickens, namely county fairs, carnivals. And really, within hours, they found a tic-tac-toe playing goose in Montana. But of course, Scharlette says that was totally unacceptable.

Scharlette Holdman

Geese are nasty. They bite you. And I didn't want a goose running around the courtroom, chasing someone.

Ira Glass

Next was a guy at a roadside stand in Wyoming who did have a chicken. And it did play tic-tac-toe. But he said that flying or driving it to California for the trial would probably upset it so much that he could not guarantee that it would win the game of tic-tac-toe. So he was out.

Finally, they found a fellow in Arkansas who trains chickens to play tic-tac-toe. And he had a whole list of chickens that he had trained around the country. And he sent the legal team to one of those birds, in San Francisco. That turned out to be a dead end. San Francisco had actually passed an ordinance banning the playing of tic-tac-toe by chickens, as animal cruelty. Fortunately, another chicken on the list was not far from there, at the boardwalk in Santa Cruz. They had their chicken.

Scharlette Holdman

So the next step was to convince the Court to let us bring the chicken to court as a witness, as demonstrative evidence, to introduce the chicken, and let the chicken play tic-tac-toe. Now of course, I wanted the chicken to play tic-tac-toe with the psychiatrist. But I realized--

[LAUGHTER]

--yeah, that most likely, no one was going to let us get away with that. But I did think that any of us, a really healthy group of interns. They knew how to play tic-tac-toe-- so that we could demonstrate to the jury that playing tic-tac-toe did not mean that you were aware of the consequences of your actions.

Ira Glass

Why wouldn't you be allowed to make the psychiatrist play tic-tac-toe with a chicken? I understand why the psychiatrist would not want to do it. But from a legal point of view, what line does that cross?

Scharlette Holdman

Well, evidently-- I agree with you. But the Court felt-- it never addressed the issue of having to play the psychiatrist-- but the Court felt that bringing the chicken into the courtroom to play tic-tac-toe would degrade the dignity of the Court.

I thought that the dignity of the Court was degraded by executing a mentally-ill person. So the Court denied our motion and said we could not bring the chicken into the courtroom for demonstrative evidence. It ruled against us.

Ira Glass

They weren't even allowed to show the jury a video of the chicken playing tic-tac-toe. And without a chicken on the stand, without a video of a chicken, the jury found the psychiatrist credible, and ruled to execute Scharlette's client. His life was saved, later, on appeal. And in the years since then, in 2002, the Supreme Court ruled that a person at his level of mental retardation cannot be executed.

For Scharlette, though, the story stays with her, the story of the chicken, because in decades of doing these capital trials, bringing hundreds of witnesses, it is the greatest courtroom move she ever invented, bringing in the chicken. And she never got to try it. She invented this thing. She never got to try it. It was snatched away from her. Something like that sticks in your craw.

Scharlette Holdman

Well, yeah, because I didn't get to do it. But it's also because of the nature and quality of a chicken. When you do this kind of work, when you're down in the worst part-- when you're trying to work for folks that literally, the community wants to kill, it can be pretty discouraging.

But you have this nice, fluffy Leghorn, brightens up your day-- for John. And all of this-- all of this is not to make light of death as punishment, of people with mental retardation, of people who are mentally ill, or of chickens.

Ira Glass

Thank you for saying that.

Scharlette Holdman

Yeah. And no, it's really not. I actually am a member of PETA.

Ira Glass

Scharlette Holdman in New Orleans. Today's show is a rerun. We first broadcast this story back in 2011. In the years since, capital punishment was suspended in the state of California by Governor Gavin Newsom. Scharlette, this incredible person that I loved talking to, she was called the Angel of Death Row for her work in getting proper legal representation for people on death row. She died in 2017.

Act Two: Chicken Diva

Ira Glass

Act two, Chicken Diva. Chickens are what we make of them, in lots of ways. If you could possibly need further evidence of that, after that first act, we have this story from Jack Hitt.

Jack Hitt

Oddly enough, it wasn't Susan who was obsessed with chickens. It was Kenny, a pal who worked backstage at the 92nd Street Y in New York. His house was filled with chicken cups, chicken masks. He got the whole staff onto chickens, including Susan. For a time there, in the '80s, poultry-related jokes and references became the fast way to get a laugh at the Y.

I guess most of us are condemned to see nothing more than the easy comedy of chickens. But Susan Vitucci saw something else, their potential greatness, their hidden beauty, their grandeur. One day she glued together some finger puppets for a 10-minute rendition of the Chicken Little story for her nephew. That was 14 years ago.

Today, it is a full-length opera, enjoyed by a cult following whenever it goes up in a workshop or cafe or small theater. It's still performed with finger puppets. But now it has a complete score, written by a noted composer, Henry Krieger, who did Dreamgirls. The Chicken Little opera he wrote with Susan Vitucci is called Love's Fowl. Needless to say, that's F-O-W-L.

Jack Hitt

Well, we were going to start with the opening, [NON-ENGLISH]. We are the Clothespin Repertory Theater. And we have a special singing guest for you, which I don't know--

Susan and I are sitting at Henry's baby grand piano. Henry's guest is his Maltese terrier, named Toby.

Henry Krieger

Perhaps Toby would be kind enough to join me--

Jack Hitt

Yeah, would he sit on your lap for this?

Henry Krieger

--at the piano. Yeah, let's see what we can do.

Jack Hitt

OK.

OK, listen carefully because once Toby gets going, he actually harmonizes with Henry and Susan

[MUSIC - HENRY KRIEGER AND SUSAN VITUCCI SINGING IN ITALIAN]

[DOG WHINING AND HOWLING TO MUSIC]

You may have noticed that this libretto is in Italian, just like a real opera.

Susan Vitucci

Before, it was just a bunch of puppets in a box, with a good idea. And then suddenly, as soon as it went into Italian, it became something bigger than what it had been. And it's because when it's in English, we all know it. And it's really not that interesting. And it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. As soon as it's in Italian, it gives us enough distance that we can come in.

It makes us-- it's like the lover who doesn't want you. You don't want anybody more than you want the one who doesn't want you. Right? And so it's the same thing.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Jack Hitt

You may recall that when you last heard of Little, back in kindergarten, she was just an average barn-door fowl, who had an acorn drop on her head, which she mistakenly understood to be the sky falling. Her alarms excited her friends, Goosey Loosey, Turkey Lurkey, and Ducky Lucky. And they join her for a journey to the king, to tell him the important news.

On the way, they meet up with Sly Fox. Little's pals eagerly accept his invitation for dinner, literally as it turns out. Fortunately for Little, hunger is not enough to distract her from her mission. And she tracks on. When she meets the king, he tells her that the sky is not falling. It's just an acorn. So the enlightened Chicken Little returns to her coop. And that's where the story ends.

What are we to take away from Little's experience? I'd like to think it's that Little is rewarded with life, precisely because she went off on this quixotic mission, totally in the grip of a wrong idea.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

The children's fable barely figures into the story. It's just one small episode in the life of Chicken Little, now known as La Pulcina Piccola. After the acorn incident, she goes on to become an internationally renowned figure in almost every field imaginable, a diva of politics, academe, theater, art, daring-do.

Like Venus, she arrives from some other world, transported on a scallop shell. But the triumphs of her life began after a youthful love affair with a fighting cock ends bitterly. And she consoles herself, as we all do at some point in our lives, by plunging into Shakespeare. She becomes an overnight sensation as an actress, celebrated all over the world for one role, Juliet, Cleopatra, Ophelia?

Susan Vitucci

The company, then, performs an excerpt-- a recreation of her signature role, which was Richard III. Well, Sarah Bernhardt did Hamlet.

Jack Hitt

Well, there's a great tradition of women playing the men's roles in Shakespeare. But I think Richard III is one of the more rare roles to be played by a woman.

Susan Vitucci

Well, that's how adventuresome an actress this chicken was.

Jack Hitt

I can assure you, there is nothing like watching a 4-inch tall finger puppet crying out, "a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse" in Italian. Not to mention that puppet is a chicken, surrounded by a whole supporting cast of poultry and other avian supernumeraries. Susan says that artistically, there's something special about chickens.

Susan Vitucci

They're a clean slate. You can put anything on them. You can project anything onto them because it's not like they have, to me at least, a very strong personality.

Jack Hitt

Except for La Pulchina. In the opera, she moves into the field of archaeology, masters it, needless to say, and makes a great discovery, the last tomb of Gallapatra, but not before she sails the seven seas, is shipwrecked, gets rescued, but it's by pirates, and then she meets the pirate king.

Susan Vitucci

As soon as he meets her, he falls in love with her because of her sweet spirit-- because she comes in and she says, here you see a little chicken who, although I'm dripping wet, I'm proud and yellow.

Jack Hitt

Let me repeat that lyric for you in a pure translation. "Although I stand before you a chicken who is dripping wet, I am proud. And I am yellow." OK, back to Susan.

Susan Vitucci

And although I've loved and I have lost, I have learned to follow the call of adventure. So let's sail on.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Jack Hitt

Keep in mind that all of the action, like everything that occurs in every Susan Vitucci production, ever since the first one for her nephew, and continuing to this day, occurs among characters created by sticking a small, painted Styrofoam ball onto a larger painted Styrofoam ball, poking in two map tacks for eyes, gluing on a tiny felt beak, and then impaling the whole thing on top of one of those really old fashioned clothespins that a '40s cartoon figure would clamp to his nose around a chunk of Limburger cheese.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

And I could go on. Susan has written, or as she puts it, translated La Pulcina Piccola's diaries, which detail the other adventures that happen in between those in the opera. There are 60 pages so far, excerpts of which have appeared in Clotheslines, the official fan-club newsletter of the opera. Love's Fowl has a strange effect on people.

I didn't understand it until Susan loaned me a videotape of one performance. To be honest, I thought I would be annoyed at the intentional irony and hokiness of the puppets. But there I was, with my three-year-old daughter, who loved the show, watching a plastic bird pantomime one of the simplest human moments, but also one of the most profound, the confession of a great love, in this case, with a Cock Robin.

Susan Vitucci

The song that she sings as she enters goes, "I am a chicken and ready for love. My heart is as fragile as the egg from which I was born. Treat me gently, and so will I treat you. Together, from earthly love, we will reach for the divine." And then she sings, "I'm a chicken and I can't fly without love. My heart, it is strong as the egg from which I was born," and so forth. And so it is only with Cock Robin that she flies.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Jack Hitt

And after they have agreed to fly together and they are soaring in the air, Cock Robin is shot and killed, murdered by a jealous sparrow. I couldn't believe it, but I was getting choked up, especially when Cock Robin appeared on the stage, his Styrofoam body spray painted black for the lament, his little magic-marker eyes drawn as X's.

I gathered my daughter my arms and held on tight, as I was helplessly drawn into an expression of the grief and suffering of this little sad bird. In this era of slick special effects, there was something unexpectedly liberating in the marriage of this crude medium, painted Styrofoam balls bobbing up and down behind a cardboard box, and the high, melodramatic art of Italian opera. Picture it.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Jack Hitt

I want a subscription to that newsletter. Are you going to do this-- I mean, are you going to be working with Pulcina Piccola, you think, for the rest of your life?

Susan Vitucci

It's possible. And I like working with her because I get to go into a world that's inhabited by a very sweet spirit, and play with the mechanics of the world. And because it's very small-- I could never have afforded to produce this show with people. But I could afford to do it with clothespins.

So I can do as big a production as I want with clothespins. I can have stuff fly in and out and come in from traps. And I can have all kinds of fancy, flashy stuff that costs millions of dollars to do on Broadway. And it cost me $200 because I had to buy lots and lots and lots of Styrofoam and clothespins and stuff and all this, and a new table maybe, and I get to do whatever I want.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Ira Glass

That story from Jack Hitt.

[SINGING IN ITALIAN]

Coming up, chicken supermodels and chickens who return with a message from the afterlife. That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio, when our program continues.

It's This American Life. I'm Ira Glass. Each week on our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you a variety of different kinds of stories on that theme. Today's show, during this period of greatest poultry consumption in our nation, the weeks between Thanksgiving and Christmas, we bring you stories of chickens, turkeys, ducks, fowl of all kind, real and imagined.

Act Three: Trying To Respect The Chicken

Ira Glass

We arrived at Act three, of our program, Act Three, Trying to Respect the Chicken.

OK, sure, it's one thing to take a fictional character like Chicken Little and make her into a star. Try doing that with a real chicken. Seriously, just try.

Tamara Staples

Well, these are photographs of chickens. The first one here is a silver-laced Wyandotte. It's a black-and-white bird, essentially, but the tail feathers have a lot of iridescent green coloring.

Ira Glass

In a world where chickens get no respect, Tamara Staples treats him the way that humans treat those we revere most. She takes their portraits, lovingly. Her shots are like fashion photographs, beautifully lit, color backdrops. They're beautiful.

Ira Glass

See, that first one looked regal. But now you've just turned to one where it almost looks like it's like a clown. It looks comic.

Tamara Staples

Mm-hmm. It's a mottled Houdan, which I always called the Phyllis Diller chicken, which is--

Ira Glass

Oh, my god, the chicken does look like Phyllis Diller.

Tamara Staples

It does. It's the hat. It looks like-- it's got this huge, feathered hat sort of thing and a strange body shape and these--

Ira Glass

In a way it's like Tamara Staples is running an odd little cross-species science experiment, one that asks this question, what happens when you try to treat a chicken the way we treat humans, even if it's just for the length of a photo shoot? What happens, it turns out, is that you learn just where the thin line is that divides human beings from birds.

All right, maybe it's not such a thin line. But it's definitely a line. And like most city people, I had never thought about it, about where it lays, about what it might be, what it might consist of, until Tamara and I headed out to a farm.

[ROOSTER CROWS]

Paul Davidson

I think that is the best one.

Tamara Staples

Yeah, we got to get him. We don't want him to get dirty or anything, do we? Or does it matter?

Paul Davidson

She runs loose every day.

Tamara Staples

Can you find her?

Paul Davidson

Yeah, we can pick her out.

Tamara Staples

We're going to have to get them to-- we're going to have to wrangle them, you know.

Ira Glass

We're at the Davidson's dairy farm, about an hour and a half Northwest of Chicago. Family members present, Paul, who's helping Tamara choose a bird to photograph, his sister Laura, who's studying photography at a nearby university, their grandfather, George Cairns, a veteran breeder, their father, Dick, who seems the most skeptical of this whole project, but who patiently shows Tamara and her assistant, Dennis, the milking barn as a possible place to set up and shoot.

Dick Davidson

What kind of an area are you looking for?

Tamara Staples

Maybe-- it needs-- it could be a little wider, don't you think? If it could be from here to there and from that pole to that pole.

Dick Davidson

For what? I don't understand what--

Tamara Staples

Well, we are setting-- maybe this is a good time to pull out the portfolio.

Assistant Dennis

OK.

Tamara Staples

You want to grab it? I'm actually-- It's a study of the birds. But it's an isolated study so people aren't necessarily associating it with the farm and something to eat.

Ira Glass

Tamara takes us outside the barn, so dust won't get on her photos, and shows them her shots, name dropping the names of some big chicken people, people whose birds she's photographed, including Bob Wulff, editor of The Poultry Press. Dick notices that a bird in one photo has crooked toes.

Tamara Staples

Yeah.

[LAUGHS]

Dick Davidson

Well, probably on a hard surface. And they turn.

Ira Glass

What do you guys think of the pictures?

Dick Davidson

Oh, the pictures are nice and sharp.

[LAUGHS] There's nothing wrong with the pictures. If there's anything to find fault with, it's the birds. They aren't posing the way they should, some of them.

Ira Glass

Fact is, while city people usually go nuts when they see Tamara's pictures, a lot of chicken breeders don't like them. And to understand why, to fully comprehend this little culture clash here in America, we have to leave the barnyard for a minute and flashback to something that happened back at Tamara's apartment in the city.

Tamara showed me this old red book from the turn of the century, this book with the seal of the American Poultry Association in gold on the front, and then right there, in gold letters--

Tamara Staples

Standard of perfection. The standard of perfection is really the Bible of poultry standards, what birds are--

Ira Glass

Tamara flipped past the engravings and illustrations of chickens of all types and breeds. These were show chickens, standing the way that chickens stand in competitions. Then Tamara pulled out one of her own photos to compare, to show me how her poses do not meet the standard in the book.

Tamara Staples

The tail needs to be higher. Her feet are not erect, standing. Chest isn't out. Head, it needs to be up more. And it shows-- you can see the shape of the chicken much better in the standard-of-perfection pose.

Ira Glass

See, to me, what's so interesting, though, is that the standard of perfection doesn't include a personality.

Tamara Staples

Right. Because it's not about personality. It's about breeding.

Ira Glass

And so that is that a pose that the owners would want to own a photo of?

Tamara Staples

They're very particular about this. They want to see their bird in the standard-of-perfection pose, definitely, because that's what they've been taught, from 4-H, when they were kids, to do.

Ira Glass

That's for them. For herself, for her city customers, she chooses the others. OK, back to the barnyard.

[CHICKEN CLUCKING]

Tamara and the Davidsons decide to set up the photo session in a room that's usually used to store feed for the cows. It takes about 45 minutes to set this up. That 45 minutes includes dismantling and moving a wall of hay that is probably 10 feet high and 15 long. This takes five people. Then in comes the power and the fancy lights and the cloth backdrop that gets hung from a steel pole. The backdrop is ironed first with an iron and ironing board, brought from the city just for that purpose.

Tamara Staples

11 and 1/2, 11, and an 8 and 1/2?

Assistant Dennis

Yeah, 11 and 1/2-- your test is going to be at 11 and 1/2, 11, and 8 and 1/2. I'm going to shoot your film at 11.

Ira Glass

It was cold, well below freezing, so cold that the Polaroid film that Tamara uses for lighting tests would not fully develop.

Paul Davidson

Are you ready for the bird?

Ira Glass

We're close. I just want to commune with the bird. We just want to make you pretty. Look how sweet, aren't you? You know what? I'm going to photograph you. My name is Tamara. I'll be your photographer for today.

Our first bird is a white Cornish, a show bird who belongs to George. The show bird is used to being picked up and handled. Part of preparing chickens for shows involves handling them a lot so they'll be calm with the judges.

Tamara Staples

If you could just nudge his head up a little bit, he's perfect. He's got his chest out. OK, now he's got his face in-- OK, yeah, you know what we want. Yeah, you're great, Georgie. He's got a feather on his back, here.

Ira Glass

Tamara has the Cornish stand up on a stack of little red antique books, kind of unsteady. Things go well for a while. She gets a half dozen good shots of the bird, expressive shots, more personality than standard of perfection, George tells me. The bird's chest isn't high enough. Its body is not turned correctly to the camera. And then the bird stops cooperating. He gets tired. Paul has a suggestion.

Paul Davidson

Bring in a pullet.

Tamara Staples

You know what? You know that works.

Ira Glass

Maybe you should explain what that is. What does that mean, to bring in a pullet?

George Cairns

It takes, maybe, a female to perk them up.

[LAUGHS]

Ira Glass

Laura grabs a hen and waves at it the flaccid cock. The cock does not rise.

Laura Davisdson

Come on, he's like, I'm just calm.

Ira Glass

I can say that on the radio, right?

Paul Davidson

Laura, it probably would have been better to get the one from the other pen, that he's not used to.

Tamara Staples

Fresh blood.

Paul Davidson

That looks nice.

Tamara Staples

Bring him around a little bit, so his--

Ira Glass

For real, the rooster will show off more for a hen that it doesn't know?

Paul Davidson

Yes. If you put a new hen in with him or him in with a group of new hens, he will really show off.

Ira Glass

They try this and that, nothing with much success. Finally, with one shot left, Paul suggests putting a hen into the picture with the rooster.

Tamara Staples

Now get the girl to-- she looks like her feet are so far apart, she's really struggling to stand.

Paul Davidson

That's the way they stand, though.

Dick Davidson

They're wide apart.

Tamara Staples

That's all right. That's all right. Oh. Oh, did you see that?

Laura Davisdson

Yeah.

[LAUGHTER]

Tamara Staples

All right--

Ira Glass

Why? What did she just do? Describe.

Tamara Staples

She looked up at him very sweetly, like that, but with her head cocked. The male bird was posing. And she was posing also, but had a personality of just being the sweet, doting mother--

Ira Glass

But not standard of perfection?

Tamara Staples

But not standard of perfection. So we're done with this background and--

Ira Glass

Not standard of perfection. Even these perfectly-bred Cornishes could not achieve standard of perfection today. And even in this goofy, unbirdlike situation, an hour of watching them makes clear just how hard it is to ever get birds to hit the standard, which is to say, not only do we completely dominate every aspect of the lives of chickens, their birth, their feed, their eggs, their slaughter, not only have we bred them to human specifications to meet human needs, but we have created a standard of what it means to be a chicken that most chickens can never meet.

That's what the standard means. We judge them as chickens. And we find them lacking. If they had the brains to understand this, they would be right to feel indignant.

But of course, this is a city person's perspective. And that means that it is completely wrongheaded from the point of view of anybody who actually raises birds. Standing in the cold feed room, I had a long, long talk with George about this. George is 80 years old. He's been raising birds since the-- I guess the Calvin Coolidge administration. And he says the whole fun of raising birds is raising them to the standard.

George Cairns

Well, for instance, if your birds lack bone, OK, you go out and buy a bird as near to like them as you can with better bone. But when you mate them together, you might get long-legged birds or too short or-- you don't get what you want just by mating. It takes four or five years to gradually get it up. And by that, they're inbred and you need new ones.

Ira Glass

George tells me that when he's breeding a new batch of birds, he'll hatch 65 of them. And only one or two will be anywhere near the standard of perfection. That's how hard it is.

Ira Glass

Do you get frustrated with the standard of perfection sometimes?

George Cairns

No, we get frustrated with the judges, because every judge has his own idea of what the standard should be.

Ira Glass

I thought that's the whole point of a standard, is that the judge--

George Cairns

That is. But one judge will want it this way and another, another. Today, if you've bred your birds to the standard perfection, weight and everything, and took them to the show, you probably wouldn't get anywhere. You got to breed to the fads.

Ira Glass

That's right, the fads, like Cornish's these days are supposed to have shorter legs than the real standard of perfection. Vertical tail feathers are out on all sorts of breeds that really should have them. In the country, among the chicken breeders, they think about a lot of things we never get to in the city.

Ira Glass

And when you're raising these birds, with any of these birds, do you have a close relationship with the bird the way some people would have with a pet?

George Cairns

I don't have time. Yeah, I got too many things to do. See, three years ago, I almost died of cancer. And the good Lord told me how to cure myself. And so I've been working with that a lot, the last three years. I've been helping people, and put it in papers now. It's getting all over the United States.

Ira Glass

What did you do? What do you do?

George Cairns

You used the root of a dandelion, simple as can be. But something in that that builds up your blood and your immune system.

Ira Glass

Wait a second. You're saying that you were diagnosed with cancer, and this is the only treatment you had, and it cured you?

George Cairns

Yeah. And I've given it to other people when the medical world has told them that there's nothing more they can do. And they've got well too, but not all of them. If they're too far gone, it won't help them.

Ira Glass

And you make it into tea or something like that?

George Cairns

Well, we just put it in little water or a little milk, Kool-Aid. You can put it on a sandwich, anything that isn't hot.

Ira Glass

George gives me a pamphlet that he's written up. No doctor has actually checked him out to prove the cancer is gone from his body. He's actually got no hard, scientific proof that this really works. But he says God told him that this is the way he should be spending his time. And it has cut into his bird breeding a bit.

George leaves, off on other business. Tamara's finished hanging and lighting the next backdrop. And the rest of us begin with the second bird, a bird called a Brahma, with elaborately patterned brown-and-white feathers.

[CHICKEN CLUCKS]

Paul Davidson

Got her.

Ira Glass

She is big.

Paul Davidson

Yep.

Ira Glass

This is a chicken like the size of a dog.

Paul Davidson

Not that big.

Ira Glass

A small dog.

[LAUGHTER]

Our second bird demonstrates the great distance between bird instinct and intelligence and the demands of modern fashion photography, which is to say of civilization. Called upon to do human tasks, even rather passive ones, a bird remains a bird. Paul carries the huge hen onto the fragile little set Tamara's built.

Tamara Staples

He's a beauty. What are you eating there, buddy?

[CLUCKING]

Paul Davidson

Whoa.

Tamara Staples

Ooh, it slapped me.

Ira Glass

I'm scared of this one, she says quietly, as she adjusts her camera. The chicken is so big, nine pounds, the size of a small consumer turkey, that she has to pull the camera back. The Davidsons are looking at her skeptically. Paul asks pointedly if she's ever shot a bird this big?

Tamara Staples

We've got to figure out where the--

[CLUCKING]

Paul Davidson

Whoa.

Tamara Staples

Hello, bird. Are you going to slap me in the face again? I hope not.

Paul Davidson

These hens will jump right in your face.

Tamara Staples

You know why you're here? Let's talk. We need you to be beautiful. Here's your moment. OK? There are more where you came from, buddy. You better act up, here.

Ira Glass

This combination of coddling and threats might motivate an aspiring supermodel or an eager puppy. But this, after all, is a chicken. Laura tries to lure it up with a handful of corn.

Tamara Staples

Is she standing?

Paul Davidson

She can get corn-- or she's trying to get it. But she has to stand up high for it.

Tamara Staples

Is that what you want her to stand?

Ira Glass

Somewhere during this ordeal, a funny thing happens. All the Davidsons, who all started off skeptical, they are completely engaged. Dick suggests a pose that is pure art concept, a pose that could not be further from standard of perfection. Laura lures the bird with corn. Paul smooths feathers. And when the bird quivers or moves a wing, three people jump in to fix it back up.

Tamara Staples

There's some feathers on the breast a little bit fluffy. It's like she's not real clean down there. OK. She's a little farther. You guys are a great team. I'm going to hire you to come with me.

[SHUTTER CLICKS]

Oops. I got a hand in there. That's my-- move the hand. Move the hand. Move the hand. OK, great.

Ira Glass

It wasn't until this point that I realized that I came into this expecting the bird to be more-- well, more human, partly I think because I never really thought about this one way or the other but partly because Tamara's photos make chickens seem so-- [INHALES, EXHALES] so thoughtful.

Tamara Staples

[INAUDIBLE]

Paul Davidson

Over here. Look at the cameras. Look at the camera.

Tamara Staples

Now she's completely out of frame.

Ira Glass

Those photos are a lie.

Tamara Staples

Hello.

Paul Davidson

I think you're going to have a one-shot opportunity here. It's going to be when I let go.

[CHICKEN CLUCKING]

Jeez, I didn't even let go. I just started to let up. And he yanked it right out of my hand.

Ira Glass

Fact is, you can try to give chickens respect. You can try to treat them with dignity, and photograph them the way you'd photograph anything or anyone that's serious. But the chickens will not care. You can make them look dignified. But it is a brainless, bird-like dignity. And it is ephemeral.

Ira Glass

Do you feel like your relationship with chicken has changed because of this?

Tamara Staples

No. Not at all.

Ira Glass

How could that not be so?

[LAUGHTER]

Tamara Staples

Gosh. I order the chicken when I'm at the show. I eat it right in front of the chickens.

Ira Glass

You eat chicken while you're standing there with a chicken?

Tamara Staples

Yes. [LAUGHS] Is it wrong? I don't know. I'm hungry.

Ira Glass

Well, no wonder they won't sit still.

[LAUGHTER]

Tamara Staples

Yeah.

[FRANTIC CLUCKING]

Ira Glass

We pack up our gear and move the massive wall of hay back into place. As we do this, chickens hop by, Brahmas, Americanos, mixed breeds. They seem utterly uninterested in us. The cluck at each other. There's feed to eat, hay to nestle in. They have better things to do with their time. And there's nothing that makes you realize just how inhuman chickens are then spending a day trying to make them seem human.

[CHICKENS CLUCKING]

[COW MOOS]

Act Four: Winged Migration

Ira Glass

Act 4, Winged Migration.

Kathie Russo

So it was Saturday, January 10, 2004. And Spalding was in our apartment, in New York, with our daughter, Marissa, who was 16 at the time, and Theo, who was six.

Ira Glass

This is Kathie Russo. Her husband was Spalding Gray, who is best known for delivering monologues on stage, like Monster in a Box and Swimming to Cambodia. Both those monologues were also filmed as movies.

Spalding Gray went missing on January 10, 2004. Witnesses say they saw him on the Staten Island Ferry that night. His body was finally found, pulled out of the East River two months later. Our program today is about birds and the hold they have on us. And Kathie Russo tells the story about Spalding's last night and the days immediately after that.

Like she just said, her husband was with two of their kids that night. She was out. They have a third child, Forrest, who was 11 at the time. He was in Sag Harbor, Long Island, with friends and a babysitter. They had a house out there too.

Kathie Russo

Spalding had had dinner with the kids. And then it got to be about 7:00 PM. He said he was going to meet an old friend. And Marissa goes, oh, that's fine. I'm here. I can watch Theo. And he went out. And about an hour and a half after that, he called to check in on the kids. Theo answered. And he said, how's everything going? He goes, good. He goes, well, I love you very much and I'll be home soon. And we never saw Spalding again.

The next series of events still seem like a blur to me, even five years later. But the first thing I had to do was go report Spalding missing. I did that. And then I decided to send the kids home, back to Sag Harbor, to join their brother. So I stayed for two days, did whatever I could, which was pretty much nothing. And after two days, I just decided, I'm going back to Sag Harbor to join all the kids.

So I'm driving on the Long Island Expressway, back to Sag Harbor. And I get a phone call on my cell phone. And it was Theo. And he was all excited. And he said, Mom, Mom, we came home today from school, and there was a bird, a little bird, flying around the island in the kitchen.

I said, and then what did you do next? And he said, well, we followed the bird. And Marissa followed him into the bathroom. And she tried to calm the bird. And she took a hat and cupped it over the bird and captured the bird and went outside and let him out free. And I was just so dumbfounded and awestruck.

The first image that came to my head, when he said that there was something-- a bird, in particular, circling over this island-- was I thought of Spalding and how for the last two years, he had obsessively circled around that island, talking to himself, just circling and in total anguish.

You see, two years before that, we had been in Ireland, celebrating his 60th birthday. And the second day there, Spalding and I were in a horrible car accident. Spalding suffered enormous head trauma. He was never the same.

They actually had to put titanium plate in his head. He was in and out of hospitals for two years after the accident. Doctors prescribed various cocktails of pills for him. Nothing worked, not even the 20 electric-shock treatments that he had.

And the second thought I had, when I heard about the bird was, was this a message from Spalding? Was he trying to tell us something? We've never had a bird in our house before. And I remember the Irish have this saying that if you find a bird in your house after someone dies, and it's alive, the person's soul is free. And if you find a dead bird, the person's soul is restless.

And I remember Spalding-- I'll never forget the story-- after his mother killed herself 35 years before, his father woke up the very next day, and next to his bed, where his slippers were on the floor, was a dead bird. And that story just stayed with me.

So that night, after the kids went to bed, I went around the house, and I was making sure that another bird could not get into this house because I wasn't going to take the chance of another bird coming into the house and dying. So I checked all the windows and I closed all the fireplaces to make sure, to guarantee, that there was no way a bird could come into our house.

And the next day, I was at the dining-room table, reading the paper. And I looked up. And there was a bird across the table, peering at me. And I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. So I yell out to the kids, who were in the other room. And they run in, and the bird takes off and flies up the stairs. And we all follow it.

And it goes into what's our office. And it's perched on top of this window. And I shut the door behind me. And for some reason, I held up my hands, thinking the bird might magically come to my hands. And I go, Spalding, it's OK. You're safe now. It's OK. Come to me.

And Forrest and Theo are on the other side of the door going, Mom, why are you calling the bird after Dad? And the bird just sat there, staring at me. And then it took off. And it flew over my hands. And in between the space in between the door and the floor, it scooted out, went past the boys, flew down the stairs-- and we had already opened up the kitchen doors-- and it flew out the kitchen doors. And it was safe. And it was gone.

The next day, I'm in the kitchen. And Forrest calls out from the TV room-- he was watching cartoons. He goes, Mom, the bird's back. It's at the end of the couch. So before I even go into the room, I open up the kitchen doors just to make sure we have an exit for the bird. And I run into the family room. And sure enough, there's the bird.

And it's become a drill now. This is the third day, consecutive day, with the bird in our house. And we follow the bird around. And this time, it goes through the living room. And then it comes back into the kitchen. And I actually got the camera out. And I took a picture of it. And the bird flew out. Just like that, it was gone. And two months later, they found Spalding's body in the East River.

I think with suicide in particular, it's a really hard death to digest. There's a lot of guilt. You go back and back, and you get into that mode of, I should have done this, I could have done that. It's a seesaw of guilt and forgiveness.

So last year was my 47th birthday. And I was feeling blue. And I was really missing Spalding. And I went on this bike route that the two of us used to take together. And it ends up by the water. And just before I got to the water, I saw this little brownish-gray bird sitting on the side of the road, just like the one that we had in our house.

And I passed by it on my bike. I ride pretty fast. But something told me, go back. And I did. And the bird was just sitting there. And I'd get up close to it, and didn't fly away. So I figured the bird was hurt.

And I'm looking at the bird, crouching over it. And this jogger goes by me, and he said, oh, that bird was there two hours ago when I started my run. So I raced back home on my bike. And I went into the house and I collected a shoe box and I filled it with grass and birdseed, got some rubber gloves.

And I drove back to where the bird was. And the bird was still there. It was about a mile from my house. And it's just looking up at me. So I thought it was really hurt. And I tried to scoop it into the shoe box. And it just gets up, looks at me, and flies away. There's nothing wrong with it. Wings were fine. I saw it flying off into the distance.

And I thought-- it just hit me like a ton of bricks, right at that moment, there was nothing I could do to save this innocent little bird, which in the end, he was fine. He flew away. And there was nothing I could do to save Spalding.

Ira Glass

Kathie Russo, these days she's a producer on the podcast, You and Me Both with Hillary Clinton and the executive producer of the podcast Here's the Thing with Alec Baldwin.

Well, the various stories in today's rerun were produced by Alex Blumberg, Susan Burton, Ben Calhoun, Blue Chevigny, Jane Marie, Sarah Koenig, Jonathan Menjivar, Lisa Pollak, Brian Reed, Robyn Semien, Alyssa Shipp, Julie Snyder, Alix Spiegel, and Nancy Updike.

Music help from Mr. John Conners. Other help today from Larry Josephson and Jay [? Headblade. ?] Additional production on today's rerun from James Bennett II, Michael Cromartie, and Stowe Nelson.

Some updates on the people in today's rerun. Tamara Staples has launched a Kickstarter campaign for a new project, a documentary series about show chickens. It's called The Standard Of Perfection. George Cairns, the grandfather from the Davidson's dairy farm, died back in 2011.

Susan Vitucci's opera about Chicken Little is available on CD and also on several streaming platforms. More information on where you can find it at www.pulcina.org. That is Pulcina spelled, of course, P-U-L-C-I-N-A. [INAUDIBLE] story about her first aired all the way back in 1997.

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Thanks as always, to our program's confounder, Mr. Torey Malatia. You know what product drives him crazy? Chicken of the Sea. He's like, it's not chicken. It's tuna. Typical that a tuna would fib like that. Chicken never would.

Scharlette Holdman

Chickens aren't going to lie. Chickens have integrity.

Ira Glass

I'm Ira Glass, back next week with more stories of This American Life.