Ira talks with David Ellis Dickerson about some of the bait and switch techniques David used when he was an evangelical trying to bring converts to the Church. Then Ira talks with author and evangelical Jim Henderson, who argues that evangelicals should follow Jesus's example not through conversion, but by simply befriending non-believers. David Ellis Dickerson is the author of the book House of Cards: Love, Faith, and Other Social Expressions. Jim Henderson records his thoughts on the website doableevangelism.com. (13 minutes)